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Quote: Originally Posted by Caster 
We don't have the keys to the car. We are in the car and are going along for the ride, but we don't control where the car is going.
| Quality personnel as back-seat drivers? 
Paul - thanks for the update. The ISO website still shows it at Stage: 40.60 (2009-01-02)
I'll contact our NSB and see what changes were made. |
1st March 2009, 04:39 PM | | Auditor/Consultant
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Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Simpson
If anyone is still interested ISO TC 176 took the vote and has sent 9004 for editing and publication as a final draft - still with the intent to get it out this year. | I'm interested. The 9004 standard is a very good document. I hope it will be after the revison. Most of my ISO 9001 clients use it internally, many of them in place of the 9001 book.
Anyone who is involved with ISO 9001, that has not read it, I can categorically recommend you get a copy. It is worth reading by the whole management team, especially if you are at a company that does not think ISO 9001 provides much benefit.
It is that good!
Thanks, Paul. __________________
Relentlessly Pursue Excellence! | 1st March 2009, 08:06 PM |  | Consultant and Auditor
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Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Simpson
If anyone is still interested ISO TC 176 took the vote and has sent 9004 for editing and publication as a final draft - still with the intent to get it out this year. | Thanks for keeping us updated Paul. I'm looking forward to the revised one. __________________
Regards,
Jane
Intelligent quality: practical, simple & flexible, | 2nd March 2009, 08:14 AM |  | Looking for Solutions
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Quote: Originally Posted by qualitymanager
Quality personnel as back-seat drivers?
Paul - thanks for the update. The ISO website still shows it at Stage: 40.60 (2009-01-02)
I'll contact our NSB and see what changes were made. | Yes. The vote was Friday and there is a bit of editing to do before it is sent out for comment. Only then will the ISO stage change. The important thing is it got through the member ballot. __________________
Rgds, Paul Simpson
Looking for Solutions, Reclaiming the "Q" word | 2nd March 2009, 08:28 AM |  | aka Colin
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Quote: Originally Posted by Helmut Jilling
I'm interested. The 9004 standard is a very good document. I hope it will be after the revision. Most of my ISO 9001 clients use it internally, many of them in place of the 9001 book.
Anyone who is involved with ISO 9001, that has not read it, I can categorically recommend you get a copy. It is worth reading by the whole management team, especially if you are at a company that does not think ISO 9001 provides much benefit.
It is that good!
Thanks, Paul. | I agree, it is a good document and whilst I am sure the 'new' 9004 will be very useful, I would have liked to see the 2000 version updated and retained whilst the new one sits alongside, say 9004-2.
Still, we can still use the good info in the 2000 version alongside 9001:2008 as the changes were not substantial. __________________
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